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of Theology and Aram. My guest today is the one and only Dr. Michelle Lee Barnwall, who was a graduate of Harvard University, Talbot School of Theology, and she did her PhD in New Testament at Notre Dame University. She's the award-winning author of neither complementarian nor egalitarian, an absolutely fascinating book and also surprised by parables. Her most recent book is A Longing to Belong, Reflections on Faith, Identity, and Race, which is the topic of our conversation. Really, really enjoyed talking Michelle again. She's been on the podcast before.

Always just a great conversation partner, brilliant thinker, and her book is outstanding.

So please welcome back to the show, the one or only Dr. Michelle Lee Marlwell.

Thank you. Hey Michelle, welcome back to Theology.

I'm excited to have this conversation.

Hey, thanks so much for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

Okay, so I, when I think of Michelle, I just think of this top tier New Testament scholar, Corinthians.

You've done stuff on women and ministry.

Your book, neither complementarian nor egalitarian.

It was really fascinating.

Love that book.

But you recently wrote a book on race and identity.

And I love how you open the book where you talk about your upbringing as being a Korean Korean girl in a small mining town in Minnesota where there was no other Korean people in that town.

Can you take us back to that?

What was your upbringing like in that small mining town in Minnesota?

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