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Catching Foxes

A Messianic Jew, a Baptist, and a Catholic Walk into a Bar - They're All the Same Guy: An Interview with Matthew Wiseman

Catching Foxes

Luke and Gomer

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity, Tv & Film

4.8769 Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2024

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Matthew Wiseman discusses his new book, The Two Jerusalems, which is the moving story of a young man's amazing journey to discover the roots of the Christian faith in the Ancient Near East, which led him from Protestantism through the Messianic movement and into the Catholic Church. This journey took him to the rainforest of Papua New Guinea, the Nożyk Synagogue in Warsaw, and the Judean Desert, and into the heart of ancient and medieval Jewish tradition: the Hebrew Bible.

Along the way, he met a cast of odd and wonderful characters, false prophets, and saintly Catholics who taught him about God, Scripture, and prayer. His steps were dogged throughout by God's strange, providential provisions, despite his human blindness. At the heart of the ancient faith, much to his surprise, he discovered what a billion people across the world already know and live: the Catholic faith.

Through it all, Matthew Wiseman's relentless desire for truth and consistency kept him searching until he discovered the "beauty ever ancient, ever new". His powerful story is like a course in fundamental theology, in compelling narrative form.

This ground-breaking book can change the lives of traditional Jews, Messianic Jews, Protestant Christians, and wavering Catholics. And because it is a narrative from his life vs. an apologetics text, it will reach many who prefer the autobiographical genre. His vivid, rhetorical style renders complicated theological issues clear and understandable.

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  • Two Jerusalems by Matthew Wiseman — The story of a young man’s amazing journey to discover the roots of the Christian faith in the Ancient Near East, that led him from Protestantism through the Messianic Movement and into the Catholic Church. This journey took him to the rainforest of New Guinea, the Old Synagogue in Warsaw, the Judean Desert, and into the heart of Ancient and Medieval Jewish tradition: the Hebrew Bible. Along the way he meets a cast of odd and wonderful characters, false prophets, and saintly Catholics who teach him about God, Scripture, and Prayer. His steps are dogged throughout by God’s strange, providential provisions, despite his human blindness. At the heart of the ancient faith, much to his surprise, he discovered what a billion people across the world already knew and lived, the Catholic Faith. This ground-breaking book can change the lives of traditional Jews, Messianic Jews, Protestant Christians, and wavering Catholics. And because it is a narrative from his life vs. an apologetics text, it will reach many who prefer the autobiographical genre. His vivid, rhetorical style renders complicated theological issues clear and understandable.
  • Coleman Creates — Thank you to Joe Coleman of Coleman Creates for producing this episode!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to catching foxes. I am Gomer. I am Gomer solo here today. Luke just flew out to Phoenix to be with his family during Christmas. What a jerk, apparently. I didn't come first. I'm interviewing, though, today, someone that I found super fascinating, just got his book a week ago, pounded it down,

0:21.9

awesome stuff.

0:22.7

Matthew Wiseman, the two Jerusalem's.

0:24.9

My conversion from the messianic movement to the Catholic Church.

0:28.7

Matthew, how are you?

0:29.9

I'm doing quite well.

0:31.1

How are you?

0:31.9

Oh, man.

0:32.8

I am doing.

0:34.0

Okay.

0:34.8

I just started CrossFit and it is rough. It is rough. Okay. I just started CrossFit and and it is rough. It is rough. Soar during Christmas.

0:42.8

That's unfortunate. Yeah. Well, the idea was the worst time to start a diet and exercises at the end of the

0:49.9

year, you know, with all the Christmas parties and cookies and desserts and people meeting.

0:58.5

And I'm in, I go to this, um, ordinary at parish and we have all these different communities.

1:01.8

They're all inviting each other over to places and stuff, really tight-knit community.

1:03.9

So it's like nothing but feasting. And if I can make it through this, I can make it through anything, birthdays, what's that?

1:08.4

I don't even care.

1:09.3

So, uh, yeah.

1:10.7

Sure.

1:10.9

The idea is, whenever my buddy asks, hey, you want to go to CrossFit, I never say no.

1:16.2

Oh, okay.

1:17.0

Yeah.

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