Pushkin.

It's hard to read the news these days without asking yourself, how did we get here?

Fiasco is a history podcast for the co-creators of Slow Burn.

In our first season, Bush v. Gore, we examine an unmistakable turning point in American politics, the 2000 election, which resulted in a high-stakes stalemate, ended with one of the most controversial rulings in Supreme Court history.

So if you're trying to make sense at the present moment, check out Fiasco, Bush v. Gore. Listen on theHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Pushkin.

From Pushkin Industries, this is deep background, the show where we explore the stories behind the stories in the news.

I'm Noah Feldman.

As regular listeners know, this season's theme at Deep Background is Power.

And right now, we're talking about power in the worlds of media and publishing.

Today, we're going to look at an aspect of publishing that is often opaque, the world of

business journalism, but not business journalism as you would find it in the pages of the

Wall Street Journal.

Rather, business journalism of the kind that you find in magazines like entrepreneur, fast company, or Forbes.

These kinds of journalism are distinctive in their relationship to the structures of capital themselves,

namely the businesses that gather capital and expend it in trying to make more money.

In that sense, today's conversation genuinely goes behind the stories that we might read

in this genre of news.

To discuss these issues were joined by Jason Pfeiffer, who's the editor-in-chief of the magazine

entrepreneur.

He's agreed to talk to us about the state of his industry,

how he conceives his job,

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