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pastor in the Lutheran Church of Australia and retired lecturer at Australian Lutheran College.

He's the author of many books, including Grace Upon Grace, Spirituality for Today.

His new book is wonderfully made, a Protestant theory of the body.

Welcome, Pastor Kleine.

It's good to be with you, Mark.

Where that title come from?

Okay. First of all, it's not theory of the body because it's anything but theory.

It's theology of the body. Oh, actually, that, Beth, God. You know, you know what that is?

That is me spending too gosh darn much time with literary theory.

So, a Protestant theology of the body.

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