A note to our listeners, this episode contains discussions of abuse and violence against children.

I'll let you in on a secret. It doesn't matter that the guests on this program are sometimes

famous people. I mean, yeah, it comes in handy sometimes for us and that more people are more

likely to click on a name that they know.

So that's good for business.

And these folks have often been interviewed before, so they're skilled at telling a story,

at being interviewed.

But at the end of the day, we're all just people, me, you, the guests, everyone.

We've all had ups and downs and wins and losses.

And hopefully, by the end of the interview, you'll feel that and maybe pick up a thing or two that are useful.

Here's what we're going to do this week.

I'm going to tell you about the guest.

He is famous.

Then I'll do the thing where I say the name of the show and we play the music. And while that music plays, here's what I want you to do. I want you to forget everything I told you about the guest, the person I told you about just a few seconds ago, all right? Okay? So listen to this and get ready to forget it.

Paul Shear is an actor, writer, producer, and podcast maker. He's a big deal in the world of comedy.

Paul was one of the stars of the league on FX and Black Monday on Showtime. He was on Veep, fresh off the boat,

best week ever. He's been co-hosting the hit podcast How Did This Get Made for the last 14 years.

Paul's done a ton of work with Upright Citizens Brigade, the hugely influential theater and school that was a launching pad for more comedy stars than I have time to mention here.

Okay, now, get ready to forget everything I just told you about Paul.

It's DePresh Mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here.

I know lots of people, like you probably do. There's this one friend of mine, Paul. He lives

in California. He's married. He has a couple kids. He's self-employed. Mostly just does a lot of

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