In terms of what those examples are, people often say, oh, well, that's just one guy who got

unfairly treated by the DEI office at Harvard. And not that many people go to Harvard anyway,

so why do you care? And look, if that's all it was, then sure, maybe people wouldn't care,

or shouldn't care. But A, Harvard produces a disproportionate share

of the country's leaders and elites, and so the cultural norms at Harvard tend to trickle down

into other institutions too. And B, it's not just at Harvard where you see some of these excesses emerging. It's also

things like hospital systems or state public health agencies, which rationed COVID drugs based

on race. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

One of the big debates when I wrote my book, The Identity Trap, was about how representative

and systematic.

Some of the examples that I talked about in the book are what I call

the identity synthesis, are the practices inspired by critical race theory by quote-unquote

wokeness, aberrations, you know, a few silly examples of a few silly people going far to far,

or are they really part of the systematic way in which many

institutions in the United States now operate? Well, one of the people who has done the best

reporting on that question is Aaron Siberian, who is writing for the Washington Free Bacon.

And in a lot of his work work he really demonstrates the extent to which

university system school systems but also things like hospital systems use

rays as absolutely key determinant of how they treat people so I brought

on on to talk about what the current state of these practices is, in what ways they actually shape American life today.

Now, that conversation was a few months ago, and we prioritized some other podcast episodes because a lot of topical things were happening.

And of course, we wanted to

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