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I actually feel like the next couple of years are probably going to be more about the applications and the plumbing and the experience around the models than they're going to be about the models themselves.

Not to say the models aren't going to get better and smarter and cheaper.

That will for sure happen.

But I think there's just a lot of low-hanging fruit on experience and tooling and cheaper. That will for sure happen. But I think there's just a lot of low-hanging fruit

on experience and tooling and connections and selecting your problems carefully and going and

finding an existing problem like we did with word processing and then rethinking it in the

current paradigm, which is essentially what we did, right? Like we rethought word processing in the context of the internet.

I think people need to go through problem by problem and rethink, okay, how does this thing become AI needed?

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This week, I'm pleased to be joined by Sam Skilache. He is the author of a new book called No Prize for Pessimism.

It is the first title from Microsoft's new publishing imprint, 8080 books. Sam's day job is as a deputy CTO at Microsoft. He's also known as one of the creators of Google Docs. Sam, it's great to have you here on the show.

Glad to be here. So your book is fascinating to me, in part because it addresses a lot of the

things that really go into making technology

from an engineer's standpoint, the architectural decisions, the different technological

approaches. But on a larger scale, it's really more about mindset. Yeah. And it's captured in the

title, no prize for pessimism. Can you give the

thesis of your book so people know what it's about? Yeah. I mean, I'm like any other engineer.

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