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This Day in Esoteric Political History

Airline Deregulation (Some Sunday Context)

This Day in Esoteric Political History

Jody Avirgan & Radiotopia

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4.6982 Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Today, an episode from the archives that may provide some context for the news playing out today. We'll be doing more Sunday episodes -- from the archives and fresh conversations -- throghout the first year of the second Trump administration.

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It’s December 17th. This day in 1978, holiday travelers are flying around the country under a regulatory system that was about to come to an end. The next year, the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 would kick in.

Jody, NIki, and Kellie are joined by Ganesh Sitaraman of Vanderbilt to discuss how the act changed the competitive structure for airlines — and in turn led to a degradation of service, reliability, and the glamour of flying.

Ganesh’s new book is “Why Flying is Miserable… And How To Fix It.”

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, Jody Avergan here. For those of us who follow politics and are affected by politics in the U.S.,

0:08.2

it has been quite the first full week of the Donald Trump administration. There is what I can only

0:13.4

describe as a full-bore assault on the state as we know it from the inside, a dismantling of regulation

0:19.1

and equal protections. I'm sure, no matter where you fall

0:22.5

on the political spectrum, and I know we have listeners all over the political spectrum,

0:26.4

you have probably found this week as head spinning as I do. I find it ham-fisted and scary and

0:31.9

immoral as well, but that is just me. Look, I've mentioned that we're going to do more episodes

0:37.1

that try and give us some

0:38.2

context for what we're seeing play out through the lens of history. That will generally happen

0:42.9

on Sundays. Don't worry, the vast majority of our episodes will continue to be the usual short

0:47.3

dives into the past. But a couple times a month on Sundays, we're going to all get together

0:51.7

and talk about what we're seeing play out. And other times, we're going to bring something out from the archives, which feels like it speaks

0:57.9

to this moment, which is what we're doing today. So here is an episode about airline deregulation.

1:03.7

We did this about a year ago, tracing the way in which the airline industry got deregulated,

1:09.0

pushed out into the open market, and some of the

1:11.3

ripple effects of that, namely that flying became a much worse experience, competition actually

1:16.4

decreased, and safety standards became compromised. Of course, this week, amidst it all,

1:21.9

we saw a couple plane crashes one of the worst weeks in aviation history in decades.

1:26.3

So I've been thinking a lot about this

1:28.2

episode, and it's not to say that we know exactly the cause and the underlying forces that led

1:33.2

to these specific accidents, but I think in general, both with airlines and in other sectors,

1:39.1

we need to think a lot about the lessons from the past when it comes to what happens,

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