Alexander Vindman on 'The Folly of Realism'

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🗓️ 4 March 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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The Trump administration is pausing all shipments of military aid to Ukraine, potentially crippling the country's war effort against an invading Russia. Concurrently, the White House is pausing offensive cyber operations against Moscow and even mulling sanctions relief. Joining the program to discuss is former NSC Director of European Affairs Alexander Vindman, who in 2019 blew the whistle on Trump's threat to suspend military aid to try to get Zelensky to investigate Hunter Biden. Vindman's new book "The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine" could hardly be more timely. Also on today's show: Dr. Mary T. Bassett, Director, FXB Center for Health & Human Rights, Harvard University; Marc Short, Former Chief of Staff to Vice President Mike Pence; Gracelin Baskaran, Director, Critical Minerals Security Program, CSIS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello everyone and welcome to Ammanpur.
0:06.0	Here's what's coming up.
0:08.0	Maybe somebody doesn't want to make a deal, and if somebody doesn't want to make a deal,
0:12.0	I think that person won't be around very long.
0:14.0	As President Trump slammed President Zelensky and cuts off Ukraine's military aid,
0:20.0	we get the latest with Russia expert and former
0:22.8	Trump whistleblower Alexander Vindman. Then the U.S. grapples with a deadly measles outbreak,
0:29.3	while a vaccine skeptic leads American health care. I discuss with Dr. Mary Bassett, the director
0:35.7	of the Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard University.
0:39.3	And it's not just departure from, I think, where the Biden administration is, but candidly, it's a start departure from the first Trump administration.
0:46.3	Looking from within Trump's White House, what may be in store in the weeks and years ahead.
0:53.3	Mark Short has been in the room.
0:55.0	Also ahead.
0:56.0	When you talk to the private sector in a number of these places from Mali to the Congo to Ukraine,
1:02.0	it's like we can't go in there without a sense of protection.
1:05.0	As rare earths and critical minerals leads U.S. foreign policy,
1:09.0	expert Grace Lynn Baskerin tells Harry Srinivasin
1:12.6	why Trump wants them so badly. Welcome to the program, everyone. I'm Biana Goldriga in New York, sitting in for Christiana Amunpur.
1:36.3	The Trump administration is pausing all shipments of military aid to Ukraine, potentially crippling the country's war effort against an invading Russia.
1:45.1	It's a dramatic escalation of tensions between the U.S. and Ukraine, which bubbled over after
1:49.8	President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance's extraordinary argument with President Zelensky
1:54.3	last Friday. Now, in comments today, Vance said this is all part of an effort to make Ukraine negotiate.
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