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Welcome to Further In Christendom. I'm your host Tyler McNabb and I'm here today with

the special guest Jimmy Akin. How you doing today? I'm just fine. Thank you for having me Tyler.

Great to have you on here. For those who don't know, we've done a couple of talks together

on Cameron Bertuzzi's YouTube channel, both on aliens and Oppenheimer, the movie, right?

So we've had some fun discourse in the past and yeah, just thought I'd go ahead and buy

Jimmy to come on. Jimmy is just walking in cyclopedia and has lots of information about whatever you

want to know. Like it could be the most like my new or in each thing in the world and Jimmy has

an opinion on it and he's read a book on it. Well, maybe, but I do the best I can.

So it's awesome to have Jimmy on here. So yeah, Jimmy, I'm going to ask just kind of start off with

talk about aliens. Okay. Why might someone believe that aliens exist? Well, there are a number of

possible grounds for it. One of them goes back considerably far in history. You know, in the

ancient world, it was not understood exactly how big the cosmos is or what the stars are.

In the, for example, in the in the Ptolemaic understanding of the cosmos, you had the earth

at the center based on Aristotle's theory that matter seeks its relevant point in the cosmos.

And since the element of earth was the heaviest of all the elements, that would gravitate,

that they didn't have the concept of gravity, but that would end up in the center. And then around

that, you'd have the water, which is where we get the oceans and around that, you'd have the air,

which is the atmosphere. And then around that, you'd have a sphere of fire. And then beyond that,

you had this eternal realm where there didn't really seem to be a lot of change. Everything happened

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