The following podcast is a topic I have been dying to explore.

Dying and I felt like I was being called to understand

human design a little bit more and then this beautiful podcast manifested itself.

I love that. I love that. Okay so how did you get first and

foremost your story is is really cool how you got into human design because it was

something that you weren't initially interested in. So I would love for you to talk

about how you got a new human design and first probably a lot of people I don't even

think now what human design is so maybe you want to even just explain what it is.

Yeah, sounds great. So my background and and I'll give you the short version, my background is, you know, I came straight

out of school and went into the advertising industry.

By 24, I was burnt out and felt like I was selling my soul to the devil. By 28 I was diagnosed with

depression and panic disorder and told that I'd have to live with it for the rest of my life and I was like well

that's just not an option for me.

Especially how many people we've had on this podcast that by 24-25

I've completely become depleted by their job which equaled a chronic health condition.

Yeah, well you know human design does give us some insights into that. So does astrology. There are very specific times in our life. Usually on 27-28 is the first time where the planets are literally aligning to kick you in the butt if you are out of return, right?

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we do a lot of the hard work before we get there, but being given that diagnosis was the thing that I look back at it now and I'm so incredibly grateful for that diagnosis even though I can completely say it was wrong and I feel like it's really irresponsible that you know a lot of you know medical

experts are giving us this advice that we can't actually do anything about it and it's just not true.

So that kind of sent me on this journey to work out how I had got

myself to that situation because I knew if I could work that out that I could work out how to get out of it. So this was 20 years ago and for 15 years I learned everything there was to learn about the brain, neuroscience, human behavior, quantum physics, obviously diving into metaphysics, I love spirituality. I did a lot of things.

And ultimately I healed my mental health, I rewired my own brain, which we can all do. And then in 2018, I had, by this stage I'd transitioned into becoming

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