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America's Path To 'Competitive Authoritarianism'

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🗓️ 22 April 2025

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Harvard professor of government Steven Levitsky studies how healthy democracies can slip into authoritarianism. He says the Trump administration has already done grave damage: "We are no longer living in a democratic regime."

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0:00.0

Want to know what's happening in the world? Listen to the state of the world podcast.

0:04.6

Every weekday, we bring you important stories from around the globe. In just a few minutes,

0:09.3

you might hear how democracy is holding up in South Korea, or meet Indian monkeys that have

0:14.4

turned to crime. We don't go around the world. We're already there. Listen to the state of the world

0:20.1

podcast from NPR.

0:23.9

This is Fresh Air. I'm Dave Davies. In the 2024 presidential campaign, Democrats' warnings

0:31.0

that American democracy was in jeopardy if Donald Trump was elected failed to persuade a

0:36.8

majority of voters. Our guest, Stephen

0:39.6

Levitsky says there's plenty of reason to worry about our democracy now. Levitsky isn't a

0:45.3

politician or political pundit. He's a Harvard professor of government who spent much of his

0:50.3

career studying democracy and dictatorship and how healthy democracies can slide into authoritarianism.

0:57.6

He was last on fresh air to talk about the book he co-authored with Daniel Zibblatt titled

1:02.3

How Democracies Die. In a new article for the journal Foreign Affairs, Levitsky and co-author,

1:09.3

Lucan A. Way write, quote,

1:11.4

U.S. democracy will likely break down during the second Trump administration in the sense

1:16.7

that it will cease to meet standard criteria for a liberal democracy, full adult suffrage,

1:22.2

free and fair elections, and broad protection of civil liberties, unquote.

1:27.0

We've invited Levitsky here to explain the threats he sees to democracy

1:31.0

and to talk about dramatic developments in the Trump administration's confrontation with Harvard University.

1:37.4

Stephen Levitsky is director of the David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies at Harvard.

1:42.6

He's also senior fellow at the Kettering Foundation

1:45.1

and a senior democracy fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Besides the book,

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