Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices.

It is 2025 and Donald Trump is president once again of the United States.

We will, of course, be following the moves of the Donald and his second administration very closely.

However, it won't just be politics for us this year.

We'll also talk a lot and cover American culture, life and the arts.

I should also remind you, because my producer, Natasha Natasha will not let me hear the end of it,

that we are on Spectator TV.

So head to our YouTube channel to watch that.

Hello and welcome to The Americano Show.

Today I am delighted to be joined by Michael Robert Oslin or Misha Oslin. I think we can

call you Misha, is that right? Indeed. For the purposes to show you are Misha. But look up Michael

Robert Oslin. He is a historian, a fellow at the Hoover Institute and at Stanford, and also the author of a new substack,

well, quite recent subject. It's about a year old, called the Botomac Packet, which is all

about Washington, D.C. and it is utterly fascinating. So I highly recommend it to all

American listeners and indeed viewers. Michael, what we're going to be talking about today

is China because you're an expert on America-China relations. And while all the headlines

in the last few days have been about Zelenskyy, Ukraine, deal or no deal, all the drama, all the diplomatic theatrics.

This rather dramatic story came out of China yesterday, which was that quite a senior Chinese official

responded to Donald Trump's tariffs with the following words. Exerting extreme pressure

on China is the wrong target and the wrong calculation, said China's foreign ministry spokesman

Lin Jian. If the US has other intentions and insists on a tariff war, trade war, or any other war, China will fight to the end.

We advise the US to put away its bullying face and return to the right track of dialogue

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