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the Bible by going to logos.com forward slash theology. Welcome back to part two of an apocalyptic Christmas, where we are exploring themes of empire,

militarism, and money through the lens of the book of Revelation.

We normally use the birth narratives contained in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke to remember Christmas,

and we sometimes forget that the Book of Revelation also contains a birth narrative, namely in Chapter 12.

Revelation's birth narrative is not a different story, but an unveiling or an apocalypse of the same

story, one where Satan is empowering an empire to destroy Jesus and his followers by demanding

their allegiance. In this episode, I talk with Dr. Greg Boyd about the theme of militarism and violence.

While the Book of Revelation is often thought of as a violent book,

where believers are commanded to take up arms and fight against evil,

the opposite is actually true, as Greg and I point out in our conversation.

I want to thank Evan Wickham again for allowing us to use songs from his latest Christmas album called Christmas Music Volume 2 throughout this series.

So without further ado, please welcome back to the show, the one and only, Dr. Oh, rejoice.

Greg Boyd, how are you this morning?

I'm doing just spiffy.

All right. Greg Boyd's like you you this morning? I'm doing just spiffy. All right.

Greg Boyd's like you're always doing spiffy.

Whatever you're on, I want some of it.

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