When it comes to prison abolition and these ongoing issues of mass incarceration, we have

suddenly entered this new moment where these ideas are being discussed in the mainstream.

And more than that, they are being taken seriously.

They're no longer only considered an extreme or radical point of view.

It is a big, real change, and one of the leading figures in this movement for many years has been Angela Davis, who, as you'll hear,

when it comes to labeling her a leader, that's not something that she's entirely comfortable with.

There's a tendency to focus on the individual at the expense of allowing people to understand

that history unfolds not as a consequence of the actions and the words of great individuals,

but rather as a consequence of people coming together,

joining hands and uniting with their differences.

Angela has a new book out that she co-authored called Abolition, Feminism Now, and like it or not,

Angela's name and face have become this thing in our culture,

right?

A symbol for the struggle for black liberation, anti-capitalism, abolition, feminism, and

all that started when she was arrested in the 1970s.

She was ultimately found not guilty, but her arrest and time spent incarcerated may her profile just explode.

People around the world rallied around her, and as I alluded to earlier, that created some tension because a fact of Angela's story is that she is someone who did not seek out fame.

She is not comfortable with it, and yet

she has also risen to that challenge, and she's pointed, always pointed, that attention

towards not herself, but her work. So for the final episode of our season, Angela Davis joins

us a talk about how we sustain and keep pushing movements forward,

how you can be supportive of a movement and still be critical of it.

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