Hello, everyone, and welcome to talk nerdy.

Today is Monday, March 3rd, 2025, and I'm the host of the show, Dr. Kara, Santa Maria.

And as always, before we dive into this week's episode, I want to thank those of you who make Talk Nerdy possible.

I've been doing this for over 10 years now.

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couldn't do without her, and also my editing team, is because I rely on the support of individuals

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I'm excited because this week we are not going to get political. I am tired. I was excited when

this book came across my desk because I think it's an important topic and it was one that

allowed us to have a little bit of hope and a little bit of, I don't know,

a less internal screaming, at least for the hour.

So this week I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Yop de Rode.

I think I'm saying that right.

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