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We've seen this term being used again and again, which is two-tier policing.

Do you think that is a fair criticism to make of the police at this point?

I can see where the sentiment comes from, definitely. if you're looking at demonstrations

you'll never get consistency all right through the country or the different

forces are never going to be consistent. British police officers are held accountable

for American police action.

It's not the same the other way, that's for sure.

I think firearms officers, a quarter of them have handed in their blue ticket.

Why is it fire-ons officers have said we're not doing it?

If they get into a difficult situation and they have to make

a split second decision, they don't feel they're going to be back for our senior officers. This is dangerous.

Chris Donaldson, you are a go-to guy for all things policing in this country.

Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Great to have you. It's always great having you on.

Obviously a lot going on since we last, I think we spoke to you last during the pandemic actually, so it's been a while.

And there's been a lot of stuff going on recently to do with policing.

What's your sense of just where we are in terms of the relationship between the police and the public, how people feel about

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