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Hi, I'm Anouche and on today's New Statement podcast, we're joined by Bill Browder.

Once Russia's largest foreign investor and now one of the most vocal

campaigners against Russian corruption to talk about the UK's attempts to impose financial sanctions.

So this is a UK political podcast bill, so we're going to talk mainly about the UK's role.

I wonder how you've found the sanctions that the UK government has been trying to introduce

so far. What do you make of them? It started in a pretty pathetic way when the very first

sanctions were announced. There were I think four oligarchs, most of whom had been sanctioned.

I think all of them had been sanctioned before by the US and a few banks. I think that was the

first Tuesday after the invasion. Then they ratcheted it up to gas prom bank and spare bank and

BTB bank and a bunch of other and a few more oligarchs. Then they added Vladimir Putin and Sergei Lavrov

and then we added a few more oligarchs. It's starting to look strong, but I would argue that we're

in a moment of true existential risk and sanctioning a dozen oligarchs doesn't do the trick.

If we need to do this properly, we need to sanction a hundred oligarchs and I'm not sure whether

there is the ability or political will to do that. I think that's the necessary next step

if we want to contain Vladimir Putin. Well, you're sort of the godfather of sanctions. Are you with

the Magnix captain taking it worldwide? Is it too little too late now the sanctions that we

introduce even if we even if we go further as you've just outlined? There's been so many opportunities

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