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As longtime housing activist retires, the fight to end homelessness continues.

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🗓️ 10 January 2025

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While the debate over homeless policy plays out across the country, Project HOME has offered resources to homeless people in Philadelphia for decades. We talk with the co-founder, who just retired after 35 years. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected].

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0:00.0

At the end of the year, the U.S. got some new figures on homelessness that were not encouraging.

0:06.5

Yes, so this is a count that takes place all around the country. Every January, it's compiled by the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

0:14.2

NPR's Jennifer Ludden talked with me about it in late December the day the report came out.

0:18.7

And this year, it found 770,000 people living in shelters or

0:24.9

outside on streets and parks in their cars. That is up 18% from last year. 18% and it is the largest

0:32.9

number since they started doing this report in 2007. Yes. It is, I should also note, an undercount.

0:39.3

It's widely considered an undercount. This is a snapshot, one night in each place. It does not

0:43.8

include people who may be crowding in with family or friends. So the bad news is that the number of

0:48.8

unhoused people in the U.S. is at a record high. Or at least it was when the government did the count last January.

0:56.9

The good news is there's reason to believe those numbers have gone down since that national

1:01.2

census.

1:02.4

In lots of big cities, people who work with homeless populations say things are improving.

1:07.5

Until recently, Jeff Olivet led the government's interagency council on homelessness.

1:11.6

We've seen either stabilizing of the numbers or reduction of the numbers in some pretty unlikely places like Phoenix and Los Angeles and Dallas.

1:20.6

And to me, what that says is if we keep investing the right way in getting people off the streets and into housing as quickly as

1:28.0

possible, we really can see those numbers go down. One major policy change last year came from

1:33.4

the Supreme Court, and advocates for homeless people were not happy about it. The justices issued a

1:39.5

ruling saying it's okay to punish people for sleeping outside, even if they have nowhere else to go. Opponents

1:46.1

of the ruling say it basically criminalizes poverty. Supporters say it'll help push people

1:51.4

towards homeless services, drug treatment programs, and other resources. Since the Supreme Court

1:57.0

decided that case, more than hundred places around the country have banned

2:01.5

people from sleeping outside, like California's San Joaquin County east of San Francisco, where

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