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Asi Wind: What Magic & Mind Reading Reveal About the Brain

Huberman Lab

Scicomm Media

Science, Life Sciences, Health & Fitness

4.923.3K Ratings

🗓️ 25 March 2024

⏱️ 172 minutes

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In this episode, my guest is Asi Wind. He's one of the world’s top magicians and mentalists. We discuss what magic and mentalism reveal about the human mind, including how memories are made, how to erase them, and how and why we perceive things the way we do, all in the context of how he performs his astonishing tricks. Asi explains that magic works because it involves storytelling, which is key to how we organize memories. He also explains how emotional connection allows people to co-create and believe a common narrative, even one that did not actually occur. We also discuss how Asi's love of painting and photography and his specific daily routine allow him to access creativity. We also discuss fear, perfectionism, and how feeling emotions deeply serves his craft. Whether you are interested in magic or not, this conversation with Asi will give you an incredible window into how you perceive, learn, and remember the world around you and how what you believe may or may not be based in reality. For show notes, including referenced articles and additional resources, please visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman AeroPress: https://aeropress.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Asi Wind (00:02:48) Sponsors: LMNT, BetterHelp & AeroPress (00:07:07) “Jazzy Magic”, Tricks & Improvisation, Memory (00:14:57) Magic & Imagination (00:24:06) Memory “Experiments” (00:29:18) Sponsor: AG1 (00:30:46) Reality Augmentation, Free Will (00:35:31) Audience Interactions & Connection, Empathy, Tool: Breathing (00:41:20) Audience, Empathetic Attunement & Connection; Skeptics (00:49:10) Trick Explanation, Props (00:57:21) Exposing Magic, Misdirection, Storytelling (01:07:29) Sponsor: InsideTracker (01:08:36) Delight, Hypnosis, Behavior Patterns (01:17:35) Hypnotists & Guiding Attention; Social Media (01:23:01) “Power of Pauses” & Memory; Tool: Gap Effects & Learning (01:30:14) Tension, Understanding Magic (01:36:16) Storytelling (01:43:00) Painting & Composition (01:51:08) Truths, Clean Slate, Art & Storytelling (01:59:03) Art & Motivation, Honesty (02:05:17) Inspiration & Creativity, “Sponge” (02:12:38) Morning Routine & Creativity (02:19:28) Memory & Fear, Power of Story; Tool: Walking & Creativity (02:29:53) Body Language (02:33:01) Perfectionism; Negative Emotions, Photography (02:40:19) Sensitivity, Empathy, Family (02:45:16) Incredibly Human Show (02:49:22) Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer

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Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.


I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and


at Stanford School of Medicine.


My guest today is Aussie Wind.


Aussie Wind is one of the top magicians and mentalists in the world.


Now you may be asking yourself why would the Hebrewman Lab podcast host a magician mentalist and the obvious answer perhaps would be that


Magicians and mentalists reveal to us where our gaps in perception reside.


That is where the human brain falters such that magicians and mentalists can take advantage


of that and give us the impression, the illusion that certain things happened when they didn't. However, during


today's discussion you will learn that Osi Wins magic and mentalist work which


by the way is absolutely astonishing.


You can see examples of this in some of the links in the show note captions that will take


you to YouTube clips in which Aussie did some of these tricks and mentalists work on me directly


in the studio. And there are other examples out there that we've linked


to on the internet as well that the work that Osce Wynne does illustrates how we form memories,


how we erase memories and the specific things that we all can do in order to


stamp down certain memories and to erase other memories.


Indeed, much of what Oshi Wins' work does is to use an understanding of how the brain works in order


to create false memories, to erase recent memories, and indeed to use emotion and empathy and


storytelling in order for you, observer to create a perception of


something that happened that may or may not have actually happened.


Indeed what Ossie reveals to us today tells us not how a magician or mentalist fools us,


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