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quite too young.

You did? I totally remember that.

Yes.

I totally remember that and I remember mom people were trying to get you to sign things with like a blue pen and you're like I will never sign something with a blue pen. You know what they do with the blue pen? They sell it and copy it and I was like I don't even know what you're talking

about but I didn't know this I didn't know this either I didn't know this either she was like I will

never sign with a blue pen because I guess they can copy it and like but not with a blue pen because I guess they can copy it and like

But not with a black pen something about a blue pen on you know if you're on the streets and those photo

Collectible I guess those people who constantly have photos of people and they'll hand you a blue pen it has to do with how they can I this is what I remember I can be totally wrong you guys can but they can like lift it with the name and or and then they can lift it and put on other

Pieces and sell it who knows now it I don't know things things you. That's what she told me.

I just remember we were like in the middle of the street crossing the crosswalk and there were like

eight people coming at you with blue pens and pictures and you're like,

I need to get to my car, I need to get my daughter to my car.

Oh my God, it's been such an interesting journey.

Everyone, first of all, we've been, we're recording and you guys and if you recognize the voice,

uh, this... We haven't even said hi no no but you know this is how I

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