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The Documentary Podcast

BBC OS Conversations: Ukraine and three years of war

The Documentary Podcast

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Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 February 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The past week has seen talks between the United States and Russia – without Ukraine. This was followed by what seems to be a deepening rift between US President Trump and Ukrainian leader President Zelensky. Meanwhile, the war on the ground grinds on and Russia continues to bombard Ukraine with drones and missiles. We bring together three people who we first met on the programme shortly after the full-scale invasion of the country in 2022. We also hear from two women involved in a project to rebuild Ukraine to the sound of rave. Darka explains. “Instead of dancing to the music of the DJ, they’re actually building the house or clearing up the debris.”

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Luke Jones. Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service. It's three years since Russia invaded Ukraine.

0:07.8

This time, on BBC OS Conversations, we bring together people to share their experiences of the war.

0:14.8

At dawn on the 24th of February 2022, Ukrainians were woken by sirens and the sound of explosions as Russia launched

0:23.2

missile strikes across the country. Three years after the start of the full-scale invasion,

0:28.2

we bring together Ukrainians, hear from refugees, and women rebuilding to the sound of rave.

0:34.1

You have like a Detroit plane, you have like destroyed buildings and you have people who

0:39.1

are volunteers and instead of dancing under the music of the DJ, they're actually building the

0:44.9

house or cleaning up the debris. At a summit in Germany last weekend, the US Vice President

0:52.1

J.D. Vance told a delegation of European leaders that

0:55.2

there's a new sheriff in town. This week, that new sheriff, President Donald Trump,

1:00.6

turned his attention to Ukraine. On Tuesday, US and Russian officials held face-to-face talks

1:06.6

without Ukraine. Then, the US president appeared to blame Ukraine for starting the war. In response,

1:13.1

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said President Trump was living in a disinformation space.

1:18.6

The US president subsequently called President Zelensky a dictator and said Russia holds the cards

1:24.5

in peace negotiations. Just to be clear, the Ukrainian president was democratically

1:29.8

elected in 2019 and elections in the country are suspended because of martial law brought in

1:35.0

at the start of the war. As we record this program on Friday lunchtime, it's not certain how any of this

1:41.0

diplomacy, if that is the right word, will play out.

1:48.0

What we can do is get a sense of what life is like in Ukraine by catching up with some Ukrainians living under the constant threat of Russian missile and drone attacks.

1:54.1

We brought together three people who we first met on this programme

1:57.2

shortly after the full-scale invasion of the country in 2022.

2:02.6

Daniel is an artist,

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