To be powerful is that my life would produce fruit, which is love, joy, peace, kindness,

patience, perseverance, self-control, like, for me to be powerful as a woman is to be rooted,

like it's to be rooted and it's actually to be honest with the Lord.

And I can see like my 20s into my late 20s into my 30s, like this progression of the Lord saying,

Permission granted. Tell me what you actually feel. Permission granted. Tell me what you're

actually overwhelmed by. Permission granted. Tell me what's actually going on.

Where are you angry and disappointed? I want to weep with you. I want to hear your deepest

groans, your deepest sorrows. And then you do that. And then he's there like he's weeping with you.

He's laughing with you and you're like, wait, why was I hiding from you? Why was I pulling away?

Who told me I had to perform for you of all people, right? This is the podcast of Jonathan David

and Melissa Helser. In this episode, Melissa Helser dialogues with Justina Stevens, Jesse Miller,

and Phyllis Unkafer about living as rooted, powerful women in this day and age.

All right, you beautiful ladies.

You're so forth, God. You make beautiful women again. I love it. I love

y'all. It's true. We've been walking together a long time. And it's beautiful to

actually sit in a company of women that I've led all of you for a good amount of time.

But when you journey together and you cross that threshold of

you're leading someone and then now that you're friend, which is what Jesus had with all of his

disciples, which was really precious. So I'd love to just initially hear from you guys.

So we have Justina. Hello. Our beautiful creative director that did the camp

that being Jonathan led. It was the best camp in the world. The best came in the world. You were

15, 16. I don't know how old I was. I was a teenager. Yes, you definitely were. Yeah.

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