"Becoming Lucy Sante”: What does it mean to transition?

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🗓️ 18 February 2022

⏱️ 61 minutes

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This week, cohost Joe Hagan talks to renowned writer, culture critic, and scholar Lucy Sante, whose essay in the February issue of Vanity Fair describes her transition at age 67. Sante expands on her many stages of personal revelation—how the “egg” was cracked—and the relief and liberation she experienced in embracing her long-denied gender as well as the challenges she still faces, personally, socially, and romantically. While she works on a new book about her self discovery, the author of nonfiction classics like Low Life and Factory of Facts is navigating the misunderstood nexus of gender and sexuality with her signature erudition, wit and curiosity. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome to Inside the Hive. This is Joe Hague and your co-host. I'm here with Emily
0:07.6	Jane Fox. Hi. Hi, Emily. We're doing a little bit of an unusual recording. I quite
0:13.7	literally have my daughter in my arms. She's a very exciting guest obviously but we have
0:19.2	a more exciting perhaps more informative guest this week and I really want to hear
0:23.2	about this interview. It feels timely and special and exciting and I just want to hear
0:27.9	what you had going on. Well this week and what we're about to hear is an interview that I did
0:32.6	with Lucy Sunt, critic writer, somebody that I've admired for a long time for books that she's
0:40.4	written like Low Life, a recent book called The Other Paris. You know if you like I did came up
0:47.5	in New York in the 90s there was nobody who didn't have a copy of Low Life sitting around because
0:52.9	it's a book that is some of the source material for a movie like Scorsese's Gangs of New York.
0:57.8	It was a historical peeling back of the layers of downtown New York and the Bohemia and the Gangs
1:04.6	of late 19th century New York and gave you this feel for kind of the demimonde of a previous era
1:11.2	and it was a fantastic read and it was written by Lucy Sunt. In this February issue of Vanity Fair,
1:18.2	she's written a beautiful essay about her transition to a woman. I have known Lucy for the last
1:26.0	10 years and in that time I knew her as a different gender and now I'm knowing her as a woman and
1:35.2	I wanted to talk to her about it and get to know her and talk to her about what she's been
1:40.9	experiencing and she talks about it in Vanity Fair but now we've got her on the podcast.
1:45.8	Well I'm so excited to hear this. I thought her piece in Vanity Fair was fantastic and I'm
1:51.8	just so excited to hear the two of you talking as people who've known each other for a long time
1:55.2	and expanding upon what she wrote. I have not heard your conversation but I was mesmerized by
2:01.2	the article and I just feel like there's a lot to learn and a lot to talk about and because
2:07.0	you guys have a history it's even more interesting and nuanced and I can't wait to get into it.
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