Did you remember the first time you were filmed for your climbing?

I don't remember for sure, but I know early on I did a little thing in Master's of Stone 6 with Eric Perlman.

It was very exciting because I'd grown up seeing the Master of Stone movies.

And he filmed me soloing on the roster man which were two

the first big solos that I did in 2006 or 2007 or 2007 I guess so I remember that being a big

moment for me because I was like I made it into my childhood movies you know and not that Master

of Stone 6 was a was a international bestseller or anything you know I don, I don't know if anybody saw it, but still, I was like, this is amazing.

How scrappy was it?

Oh, I mean, it wasn't.

I mean, well, in a way it was scrappy in that the equipment was a lot worse than it is today.

But it was the same setup.

I mean, it was one guy hanging on a rope above me filming, which is basically what I do filming now. It's just that the cameras are better.

One thing I was thinking about is that it kind of seems like this is probably the golden era if you are like a creative in adventure media.

Like this summer, you know, Teton gravity Research has the edge of the earth on HBO,

and then Jimmy Chin's got the edge of the unknown on Disney Plus.

And obviously these are bigger names inside of the community,

but there's a whole industry around adventure filmmaking that was kind of there 10 years ago ago but not like it is now and I guess

like from your perspective as someone who's benefited greatly from it does it seem like it is

sort of this like crazy golden era yeah I know what you mean does seem like a big moment for

outdoor adventure filmmaking though actually in my case I didn't benefit because I would have had a show called

On the Edge with Alex Honnold, but there's so many other shows about The Edge,

Jimmy Show and the HBO show that they killed it.

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