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Behind the News: Christian Nationalism w/ Kristin Du Mez

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🗓️ 10 February 2025

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Kristin Du Mez, author of the book Jesus and John Wayne, looks at the world of Christian nationalism. Jennifer Middlestadt, who wrote a recent opinion piece in the New York Times, speaks about the “sovereigntism” guiding the foreign policy of Trump et al.

Behind the News, hosted by Doug Henwood, covers the worlds of economics and politics and their complex interactions, from the local to the global. Find the archive online: https://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/radio.html

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

The Hello and behind the news. My name is Doug Henwood. It seems appropriate to describe today's

0:38.2

two-guess lineup as divinely ordained, given the prominence of the uses and misuses of religion in the show's

0:43.8

content. We'll hear from two historians. Christian Dumay will talk about the theology of the

0:49.1

Christian Nationalists in and around the Trump administration, and Jennifer Middlestat will talk

0:53.6

about the deep roots

0:54.4

to the foreign policy outlook of that same regime. I'm not saying Trump himself, because who knows

0:59.6

what his philosophy of life is, aside from maximizing his own power and presence.

1:04.3

On the morning of Trump's inauguration, he and some of his retinue were forced to listen to a sermon

1:09.0

by the Episcopal Bishop of Washington,

1:11.3

Marion Buddy. It's centered on the need for compassion, empathy, and humility. Though that seems

1:16.2

quite consistent with the general tenor of the Christian tradition, Trump was annoyed because he took

1:21.0

it as a personal insult and would-be theologians like J.D. Vance cited Catholic doctrine,

1:26.6

notably Ordo Amoros, the Order of Charity,

1:29.3

a concept associated with St. Thomas Aquinas. For Vance, it was a theological justification for

1:34.2

nativism and xenophobia. One Republican member of Congress said Badi should be deported,

1:39.5

and another introduced a resolution condemning her. That got me curious about the theology behind Maga.

1:45.5

So we're joined by the perfect person to elucidate that, Kristen Dumay, a professor of history

1:50.2

at Calvin University. She was on this show in December 2020 to discuss her book Jesus and John

1:55.4

Wayne, a study that Christian rights creation of a badass Jesus, throwing over all that peace-love

2:00.6

stuff in favor of a

2:01.7

military hardness.

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