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Behind the News: Jodi Dean on Populism and Jane McAlevey on Real Organizing

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🗓️ 3 April 2017

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Doug Henwood interviews Jodi Dean on why the temptations of populism should be resisted, and Jane McAlevey, author of No Shortcuts, on real organizing, not fake organizing.

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0:00.0

The Oh, Hello and

0:33.4

Welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood.

0:36.1

Two familiar voices today. First and seconds Jody Dean will explain why

0:40.0

populism is always of the right and never the left, and Jane McEllevy talks about real

0:45.0

organizing, not fake organizing. First, Jody Dean. Jody is a prolific author, most recently

0:50.9

of Crowds and Party from Versoo which we discussed in this show last

0:54.3

summer and a professor of political science at Hobart and William Smith colleges in

0:58.1

Geneva, New York. She has an article called Not Him, Us and We Are in Populists in the new issue of Theory and Event, an online journal of political theory, on the challenges of the Trump era and the pitfalls of the populist temptation. You can find the article by Googling Theory Event

1:14.9

Jody Dean populism. Jody Dean. So I want to talk about populism but first I want

1:20.8

to talk about the tweeter in chief.

1:22.5

We have a president who is an active user of Twitter.

1:27.0

People get up every morning and wonder what the president tweeted overnight.

1:30.8

We've got pundits analyzing the morning tweet flow from

1:34.6

Trump Tower or the Oval Office of Maralago wherever he is at the moment. What do you

1:39.1

make in the fact that we have a president for whom Twitter was an important part of his rise to power and an important way of his communicating with the public.

1:48.0

Trump shows us how communicative capitalism has come into its own.

1:53.0

By that what I mean is,

1:55.0

communicative capitalism has promised us

1:58.0

that everyone can say whatever they want.

2:01.0

Whenever they want, it's promised us a kind of immediacy of every opinion being equal and every

2:08.8

opinion mattering and weirdly what Trump does is put that strange semi-democratic power in the hands of the president.

2:18.8

So instead of recognizing as presidents tend to that they have the so-called bully pulpit and can use the

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