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Hello and welcome to Behind the News. My name is Doug Henwood. Today, cops and money.

Geo Mar will report in the state of the anti-cop movement in a time of backlash.

And Tarek Fancy will explain how financiers won't save us from climate disaster.

In the summer of 2020 and the wake of the murder of George Floyd, the cops were in deep distribute.

Then a rise in shootings and a torrent of propaganda looked to have turned that upside down.

Here to update us on the anti-cop movement and the thinking behind it is George, aka Geo Mar.

Geo is a visiting professor at Vassar College in the author of several books, including We Created Chavez from 2013.

And most relevantly, a world without police published last year by verso.

Geo Mar.

So welcome. You know, there's a lot of talk that the defund the police movement or actually any talk of reducing funding from cops and shifting it to more humane pursuits.

There's a lot of talk that that's all just dead or if not dead very seriously in a coma because of the rise in crime over the last couple of years.

You know, the certain election losses, the election of Eric Adams is the mayor of New York City seem like a triumph of the cop forces.

How do you evaluate the state of the movement against the cops these days?

I mean, I think there's something definitely to that.

You could understand it as a backlash. I would go so far as to say in part to underline the fact that it's an active strategy.

I would say we've seen a couple of years of open counterinsurgency.

You know, looking at Minneapolis, for example, it's a good, you know, a good example of this where you look at the attempt to push through this delayed vote on whether or not to dismantle the Minneapolis police.

And you had for a full year all of the forces of the media of the police force, you know, all public voices essentially insisting that abolition dismantling even defunding is crazy.

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