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Welcome to a special edition of the journal podcast.

We're in Washington, D.C. today on inauguration weekend.

And we're here to talk about the rise of podcasting and the impact it had on the 2024 election.

I'm your host, Ryan Knutzen, and I'm joined today by two other podcast hosts, Ben Shapiro and Preet Bharara.

Thanks so much for being here.

Great to be here. Thank you.

So you guys both sit on opposite sides of the political aisle.

Ben, you're one of the most well-known conservative voices out there.

You were previously editor-at-large of Breitbart.

You co-founded the Daily Wire.

Now you have one of the top conservative podcasts with the Ben Shapiro show.

Preet, you are a former U.S. attorney appointed under President Obama.

You served as chief counsel for Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer.

And on your podcast, stay tuned with Preet.

You also make no secret about your politics.

But I want to talk about

the thing you have in common, which is that you're both podcasters and the podcast industry.

So the 2024 election, as I'm sure you've heard, has been dubbed by some, the podcast election.

Both candidates spent a lot of time going on podcasts. Trump appeared on at least 20, including

the Ben Shapiro show, and Kamala Harris went on

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