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Welcome to a book with legs podcast. I'm Cole Smead, CEO and portfolio manager here at

Smead Capital Management. At our firm, we are readers, and we believe in the power of books

to help shape informed investors. In this podcast, we speak to great authors about their

writings. The late great Charlie Munger prescribed using multiple

mental models and analysis. We analyze their work through the lens of business, markets, and people.

We're going to talk about climate, the economy, and plausibly the most important topic,

pragmatism. Ben G. Backer is joining us to talk about his newly released book, The Conservative Environmentalist.

This is our first in studio.

So just to teach our listeners about Benji's background,

Benji is president and founder of the American Conservative Coalition,

the largest right of center environmental organization in the country.

He serves as a board member for the Wisconsin Conservative Energy Forum and

mainstream Republicans of Washington. A frequent contributor to multiple national media outlets,

Benji is one of the leading youth environmental voices in the country. Benji, thanks for joining

me. Great to be here and great to break in the studio with you.

Yeah, this is fun. So I want to touch you this really quickly because I think this is interesting.

You know, I'm from the Seattle area originally, Washington State, obviously.

You're from Wisconsin originally, as I'm sure you'll teach us.

But you went to college in Washington, but you ended up here.

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