Hello everybody, welcome back to Revolutionary Left Radio.

I'm your host, Brett O'Shea.

And today we have kind of like halfway the third installment of our De Bois series and also just its own episode in his own right.

We have on the one and only Dr. Joy James and, of course, my co-host for

the De Bois series, P.M. Irvin, to talk about De Bois, but also talk about James' newest book,

New Bones Abolition, Captive Maternal Agency in the afterlife of Erica Garner. We talk about

George Jackson. We talk about De Bois and Ida Erica Garner. We talk about George Jackson. We talk about

De Bois and Ida B. Wells. We talk about Erica Garner, the daughter of Eric Garner, who was

killed by police and the activism that she engaged in after the death of her father up until

her untimely passing at the young age of 27.

We talk about the we-charge genocide petition to the United States,

signed by De Bois, Paul Robeson, Claudia Jones, and others.

Of course, we talk about Joy James' book and some of the core concepts within it and just have a really

fascinating, wide-ranging discussion on all of these topics. And of course, you can ask a question

to Dr. James and she expertly just continues to discuss that question, takes it in fascinating

directions, advances really profound

analysis, and I just found this, this conversation really enjoyable, and I think you will as well.

And I wanted to say, as I say at the very end of this episode, her book, the one that we're

sort of discussing today, New Bones Abolition,

100% of the proceeds go to prison radio.

So if you buy the book, not only do you get a wonderful text, but you also get a support a good cause.

So definitely do that if you're interested and if anything in this conversation piques

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