There's no president that Joe Biden and his aides like to compare themselves to more than

Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

After all, FDR and his new deal transformed the American economy and helped rescue the

country from the Great Depression, providing a model for the kind of transformative policies

that Biden embraced and his original build back better proposals.

It was also Roosevelt who rallied the country to fight fascists abroad, even as Biden

now seeks to mobilize voters to reject semi-fascists at home.

In his new book, Becoming FDR, author Jonathan Darwin recounts how the young Roosevelt,

a gregarious, likable politician, not especially deep or thoughtful, with a losing track record

as a national candidate, was transformed by a personal crisis that shook him to his

core.

It's not unlike the personal tragedy that rock Joe Biden's world after he was elected

to the US Senate.

We'll talk to Darwin about the FDR, Biden parallels as far as they go, and of course,

we'll also discuss the latest on Donald Trump's legal troubles on this episode of Skull Duggery.

I'm Michael Isgov, Chief Investigator for Yahoo News.

I'm Dan Clydman, Editor-in-Chief of Yahoo News.

And I'm Victoria Bacetti, a Senior Counsel at States United.

So a lot of fascinating parallels between Biden and FDR that Darwin kind of alludes to

in his book, which is by the way a great read.

We don't want to overstate them.

Obviously, FDR was a transformative president, we still do not yet know whether Biden

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