Billie Eilish’s New Pop Perspective

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The New York Times

Music Interviews, Music Commentary, Music

3.6 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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How has the teenage phenomenon’s songwriting, and her relationship to the larger music machine, evolved between albums? Guests: Joe Coscarelli and Lindsay Zoladz.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, your 30 under 30 for another year of Music News
0:08.6	and Criticism.
0:10.8	I'm your host, John Caramonica.
0:30.0	I critique, therefore, I am.
0:37.0	It's a new album called Happier than Ever from Billie Eilish.
0:45.1	If there are folks who remain frustrated by the use of the term Billie Eilash on this
0:51.2	show in the past, I hope that Y'all can survive with us for the next 30, 40, 50 minutes.
0:58.5	We talk about the new Billie Eilish record, and perhaps cast some skepticism on its quality,
1:04.5	depending on who will be speaking, sidebar, lucky for y'all, Karen Gans is not here today.
1:10.1	I can fill you in later about how Karen feels about this record, but to talk to me about
1:15.6	Billie today, Lindsay Zoolaz is here, hi, Lindsay.
1:18.6	Hi.
1:19.6	Lindsay has a more optimistic take on this album, which we'll get into.
1:24.4	Also, Joe Koskorelli is here, Billie Eilagist.
1:26.5	Hey.
1:28.4	It's been an interesting, let's say, six or seven months in the universe of Billie.
1:35.8	We had the documentary that came out that was sort of quasi-intimate.
1:41.6	We've had what felt to me like maybe the first instances of public social media backlashing
1:49.3	against Billie for a couple of arbitrary things.
1:53.8	Up until I would say the beginning of this year, Billie Eilish was leading
1:57.4	a very charmed pop life, and it started to feel just the tiniest bit soured in the
2:04.4	last few months.
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