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Today Chris and I are continuing I guess sort of our unofficial series that began with our anonymous source from Columbia University

that looks at some of the moral compromises of the American workplace and how it's increasingly

untenable. I'm calling this series, fuck it quit moving on from the world of academia to

journalism our guests today you may know her as the front woman of the

indie punk sensation that is Chris's current favorite band

Echo Asrel it's Jayle Holzman. Jayle thank you for joining us.

Thank you for having me on. Well first I'd like to thank you for ending your career in journalism

to pursue something socially redeemable, like making good music.

So first of all, congratulations on shifting to music full time.

Well if I may, if I may, I'm not fully quitting journalism entirely, I just quit the part that ripped the heart and soul out of me.

Well, there is still potential to do good work here.

But we were getting your perspective because you know you really saw how the the

sausage was made on the congressional beat in DC and before we get into sort of

what led you to this departure from the part that ripped your

heart and soul out of you. Maybe you could tell us just a little bit about who you

are, where you're from, and how you got into journalism and the DC

congressional beat in the first place. Sure so for those of you who don't know me

my name is J. L. Holzman I have been a reporter in the Washington Beltway area up until the last few weeks for about eight years.

I started the week that Donald Trump was inaugurated.

Before that even, I mean I've been in the area my whole life. I grew up in Rockville, Maryland.

I'm used to the shadow of I-95. But on that I'm I in 95. But on that I mean I went into journalism because I wanted to make a difference. I really I still do believe that the art of telling the truth and speaking it to power can be one of the

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