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That's kind of conversation between your soul.

That's conversation.

Between your soul and the night. Hello, That's conversation. Hello, Prestige heads, and welcome.

I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade, Derek Davidson.

And we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast of the third, fourth, maybe even fifth time.

Daniel Imervar.

Daniel's a historian, and specifically he's the Bergen Evans Professor in the Humanities, very, very nice title,

at Northwestern University in Chicago. And he's also the author

of a really excellent essay that I think everyone should check out, titled, All That Is Solid Burst

Into Flame, Capitalism and Fire in the 19th Century United States. And as you all know, fire has

been on a lot of our minds recently, so we thought it would make sense to invite Daniel on.

So Daniel, thank you so much for joining us today.

Hey, happy to be here.

So I talked about this a little bit off, Mike, but obviously your first book,

Thinking Small is on Community Development.

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