Hi, I'm Peter Adamson and welcome to a special bonus episode of the History of Philosophy without any gaps.

We're on summer break right now, so there are no new normal podcasts guest, if I may put it like that, namely my identical twin brother, Glenn Adamson.

And I thought this would be interesting because he, although he's not a philosopher, works in areas that are philosophically interesting as I hope you'll be

convinced and also you'll all have the exciting challenge of trying to tell the

difference between our two voices so say hello Glenn.

Hi there this is Glenn and it's a pleasure to be on the podcast with you, Peter.

We're actually recording this on our birthday, which of course is the same day, so happy birthday,

Glenn.

Happy birthday, Peter. Thank thank you very much and by the

way like this is not a gag I mean this is not me doing two people he's really a

different person maybe we should say something at the same time so people believe

each other so let's both say at the same time happy birthday.

One, two, three, happy birthday.

Okay, so now you believe us.

Good.

So, Glenn, tell the listeners who you are apart from being my identical twin brother. Well first let me say

what a big fan I am of the podcast Peter. Oh thank you very much. And I guess you could

say I'm a museum curator first and foremost trained as an art historian and I have a

foremost trained as an art historian and I have a particular interest in the history and theory of craft.

So my work tends to be around issues of skilled making of one type or another and I've looked at that in a lot of different

situations including things you might expect like furniture making or ceramics but also things like fine art practice.

So what does it mean to craft a sculpture or craft a painting,

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