Hey everybody, this is a kind of bonus episode within our bonus season.

We interrupt our summer mini-series of Sinon Radio, re-broadcasts, to bring you something

else, a recent episode of Hot Take, the essential and wicked smart podcast from crooked media

about the climate crisis.

The show is co-hosted by our pal Amy Westervelt, the terrific climate journalist who worked

with me on our season 5 series The Repair, and her co-host, The Climate Writer, Mary

Anaise Hegler.

They pack each episode with information and analysis to help listeners understand what's

really going on with the climate emergency, and maybe how to respond.

This conversation they had with the writer David Wallace Wells picks up and expands on some

themes from our season 5 series, including that question of how to balance the sober

reality on the ground and in the atmosphere, with the kind of hope we need to keep fighting

for change.

Here's that Hot Take episode, they called it Total Moral Disaster.

Hello and welcome to Hot Take, I'm Amy Westervelt.

And I'm Mary Anaise Hegler, and today we're going to take a look at how the COVID-19 pandemic

influenced the way we talk about climate change.

I don't know why you're using the past tense there, Mary.

Pretty pandemicy still up in here.

I know, I know, I just wishful thinking like all the airlines, but at the same time, when

the pandemic kicked off, the media kind of did start acting like the climate crisis

sent it.

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