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Happy New Year, everybody.

To get 2025 started off right, we're releasing the entire interview that we did with

Esther Perel for you, microlistener, as a New Year's gift, and honestly as a way to try to seduce you into subscribing to the Magnum.

We recorded this in September, and this is just a taste of the kind of additional content that Magnum subscribers enjoy regularly.

Let the seduction begin.

We're going to take a quick break from your calls to speak with someone that if you're a

regular listener of the Savage Lovecast, you are familiar with someone who, if you are a regular

listener of the Savage Lovecast, you probably already got her books on my recommendation.

And you've heard me quote her a million times, New York Times bestselling author and psychotherapist

Esther Perel, recognized

here on Zephelovcast and everywhere else is one of the most insightful and original voices

on modern relationships. In addition to writing her bestselling books, Esther hosts the hit

podcast, Where Should We Begin, and is about to wrap up her sold-out national tour at evening

with Esther Perel. Esther, how are you?

I am good. It's so nice to see you. Maybe I have a brand new listener today who hasn't heard me

talk about you, about your books, mating in captivity, the state of affairs. There was something

that you said once that just struck me, And it's one of the things I repeat all

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