Bonus - Trump, Xi Jinping, and Tariffs w/ Andy Liu (Preview)

American Prestige

Daniel Bessner & Derek Davison

History, Politics, News

4.8 • 705 Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Danny and Derek welcome to the show Andy Liu, professor of history at Villanova, for a discussion on Trump, Xi, their respective histories, and the current trade situation between the US and China. They explore Trump’s relationship with Japan in the 80s and how that helped shape his idea of trade and tariffs, the US security apparatus emboldening Trump’s “dealmaking”, Xi’s own background as a “nepo baby” in the transformative era of Deng Xiaoping, he and the Chinese government’s effort to move China from exporting mostly cheap goods to higher-end products, the current Trump administration’s actions and (lack of) communication with Beijing, and more. Subscribe now to listen to the full episode. Note: this episode was recorded in mid-March, i.e. before the latest round of tariffs. Read Andy’s piece for n+1, “Back to the ‘80s?”. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello,
0:02.0	That's kind of conversation to your soul.
0:05.0	That's conversation to your soul.
0:10.0	I'm the Nassau.
0:11.0	I'm Danny Bessner. Hello, Prestige Heads.
0:22.4	Welcome to American Prestige.
0:23.9	I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade, Derek Davidson.
0:28.1	And we're very excited to welcome back to the podcast today.
0:30.7	Andy Liu.
0:31.6	Andy is a historian.
0:33.5	He, in fact, teaches history at Villanova.
0:35.7	He's the author of T-War, a history of capitalism in China and India.
0:39.2	But we've invited him to talk about his recent article in N-plus-1, a revised version of which will appear in N-plus-1 magazine, titled Back to the 80s, Trump, Xi Jinping, and the Tariffs.
0:50.3	So, Andy, thank you so much for joining us.
0:52.4	Hey, guys, thanks for the invitation.
0:55.0	Yeah, really happy for you to be here.
0:57.0	So this article was a really expansive history of Trump's ideology of tariffs and also a little bit of a history of she and how the two characters, the two leaders, mirror each other.
1:07.0	But to just dive right in, why don't we go back to the 80s, as the title of the piece
1:13.8	says, and talk about Trump, particularly his relationship with Japan, and how this shaped his
1:21.1	imagination about tariffs, what they could do, what they could not do, and all of that stuff.
1:29.8	Yeah. So, you know, I wrote the piece piece i started writing the piece before the new administration so much has happened since then but i think the history
1:33.6	stands up and i for a few years now whenever i've talked about um Japan in the 80s and the 90s
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