Hey everybody. Welcome to unlocking us. I'm

Renee and we are here with a bonus episode for you. We are going to share

an episode of my Dare to Lead podcast with you here on the

Unlocking Us podcast feed. I had this conversation with former president

Barack Obama on Dere to lead and you know I'm

starting to notice this massive theme and pattern here call me a qualitative

researcher where I like paradox and I like

the ability to hold seemingly opposite things as both true. And that's what President Obama and I talk about, his life, his work, his

new book, A Promise Land, and this incredibly rare skill set where we can feel the pull, the opposite pull of things and take a deep breath and say,

hey, both of these things can be true. And that energy that we create holding opposite things is the birthplace of

transformation. I hope you enjoy it and if you're interested in how we show up at work in an awkward,

brave and kind way embracing vulnerability building shame

resilience I think you'll love the dare to lead a broadcast I've talked with

Abby Wombach I co bethia guy ros Eric Mos, historian John Meacham, getting ready to release a deep dive with a one and only Jim Collins.

It drops every Monday. I hope you enjoy this conversation with President

Barack Obama. Thank you all for listening. Hi everyone I'm Brinay Brown and welcome to the Dare to Lead Podcast.

This is where I squeal and go like oh my god I'm talking with President Barack

Obama about leadership about family about commitment to about

commitment to service. This is just, this conversation was so important for me, not just as a person and a leader and a citizen, but I have to say as a researcher,

I've been studying this skill about the transformative power of holding opposites, knowing that two things

that feel competing and conflicting can both be true and how the ability to straddle these kind of paradoxes really leads to

transformation and it's hard to observe this when you're working with

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