Hi everyone. I'm Brinay Brown and this is unlocking S.

Oh, this is so exciting.

I'm waiting my whole life to talk to Chris Germer.

He is a clinical psychologist and lecturer on psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.

He co-developed the Mindful Self Compassion Program with Kristen Neff in 2010, and it's been taught to 200,000 people worldwide.

That's so exciting.

We need more compassionate people.

I read an article written by Chris called

The Near and Far enemies of fierce compassion. and as soon as I read it I'm like

Put him on the podcast list get out the Trello board. I got to talk to him

It was an incredible conversation. We get vulnerable right from the start.

It was just I don't know we were what do you think?

I loved it.

It was we were just in the zone we were in the self-compassion, meditation sharing zone. I loved it. Yeah, we just talk about really

transformative moments in our lives or thin places as I like to call them. You know, the

concept of near enemy was such a game changer when I wrote Atlas of the Heart.

It actually is going to finally allow me to maybe finish my dissertation research, which I worked on

on the back of Atlas of the Heart.

We're going to talk about compassion, what it is, what it isn't. We're going to talk about activism. We're going to talk about compassion, what it is,

what it isn't, we're going to talk about activism,

we're going to talk about really, yeah, well you're laughing,

what are...

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