Hi everyone I'm Brine Brown and this is unlocking us.

We are back with part two, a very special conversation with Father Richard Rohr.

We had this conversation in person at the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Ooh, what a sacred trip that was.

I just, again, an incredible place, doing deeply meaningful work.

I got to meet the staff, got to meet Opey, the dog,

and living heart of the center, I think.

In the first episode, we talked about some of my favorite

quotes from Breathing Underwater, Spirituality, and the Twelve Steps. And this one

we're talking about quotes from another one of my favorites,

falling upward, a spirituality for the two halves of life.

We talk about the powerful Trinity of Paradox, Contradiction, and Mystery, why I miss Church so much,

and how hard it is to unlearn and let go of certainty.

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