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avante west coast feel good travel. Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast in The Times, I'm Matt Chorley.

This is the second episode from the Special Times Plus Event Brexit Tained Live here at the Emmanuel Center in London. In this episode a special

panel of Times and Sunday Times. Columnist asks how did we get here? How did Brexit happen and where does it sit in world history. Philip Collins

the Times Economist chairs the panel and is joined by David Erronovich, Sarah Baxter

Daniel Finkelstein and Ian Martin. David last time I played this auditorium I was selling a book on speeches and my co-stars that evening were Jeremy

Ions Simon Russell Beale and Carey Mulligan.

Well tonight playing the role of David Erronovich. I have David Erronovich. I have Sarah Baxter, I have

Ian Martin and I have Danny Finkelstein. And it's our job in the 20 minutes we have available

to talk about how we got here. How did we arrive at this

Sunlit opportunity slash total shit show? What is the historical moment that brought us here?

And it's often said that the referendum campaign

was lost by the remain side with a poor set of arguments, but actually it's very difficult to win a campaign in a few weeks

when you've had 40 years and more of argument before that. And Danny, I want to start with you because in most of your political lifetime the question of

Europe has been a wound in the Conservative Party hasn't it? Your political lifetime in

the Tory party has really been dominated by this issue.

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