Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World. I'm Christian Guru Murphy and this is the podcast

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives and the events that

have helped shape them. We are on location today in the Haymarket Theatre in London where a play

called The Score is on right now starring Brian Cox, the great film, TV and Shakespearean

actor. He plays Bach, and it's a story of how Bach had a relationship with King Friedrich

in which he was challenged to come up with what ended up being Bach's musical offerings.

It's a fascinating play, and it's about much, much more.

There are lots of ideas in there about war, about leadership, about human behavior, and it keeps

you thinking all the way through. So it's a pleasure to be here to talk to Brian.

Brian Cox, how would you change the world as it is if you could do so in one sweep?

It's a huge job.

I would have leaders who are sensitive and intelligent as opposed to leaders who are delusional.

And we have a few of those.

And I think that our leaders are not good men. You know, I mean, some are,

but there are so many that aren't. And I think America is in a lot of trouble. I mean,

I can understand why they voted. I can, I'm not sympathetic with it, but I understand why, because there's an element of that person that represents success and America loves success.

And so they make that association.

But there's no virtue there.

There's nothing virtuous about that man whatsoever.

He's delusional.

He hasn't an idea to then turn around and

call Vetsensky a dictator is just appalling. And then the whole Gaza thing, which is absolute disgrace.

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