What does Home mean to you? I'm Jimmy Famire, writer, broadcaster and restaurant critic,

and I've been speaking to well-known names about what Home means to them.

And it was in the East End of Burmese. He went Burmese it was rough.

I remember thinking, none of the boys are going to fancy me.

Gourd-Borotti and a chicken curry.

You are full, you are connected to your culture, and you may get a heart attack.

That's Where's Home Really? With me, Jimmy Famera.

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Behind the Knife, The Surgery Podcast, where we take a behind-the-scenes intimate look at surgery from of Behind the Knife. This is Karin Chabra and I'm excited to introduce

another episode of our How I Built It series with the Association for Academic Surgery,

a clinical and Health Services Research Committee. Today we'll be interviewing Dr. John Berkmeyer,

who's one of the founding leaders of health services research

and surgery, and really helped us understand variation

in surgical quality and outcomes.

Dr. Berkmeyer will take us through the history

of surgical outcomes research and his own journey from Dartmouth to the University of Michigan, back to Dartmouth and then to his current role at sound physicians, and he'll talk about his thoughts on the future of health services research and what we can contribute as surgeons and scientists.

So Dr. Rookmeyer, thank you for joining us today for the AAS How I Built a Series.

Thank you, Karen.

So to start, for our listeners, can you tell us how you got started in health services research,

especially at a time when so few people and almost no surgeons were involved in this field?

Well, I tell you, I got into the field by serendipity, some would say failure.

I wound up at Dartmouth as a preliminary general surgery intern outside of the match. I had finished my couple of clinical

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