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Let's talk to Andrew Neal, who is right here, of course, with us, former editor of the Sunday Times Times radio presenter as well,

Beemoth of the media world, I would have to say. Andrew, very good morning to you.

Good morning to you, Mike. Good to be there with you. Good to talk to you. I think your piece today kind of pretty much sets out the stall for Kirstalmer, doesn't

it?

He's off to Washington.

He's going to go there.

He's going to appear on Thursday to talk to Donald Trump.

He doesn't sound as though he's terribly sort of confident about what he's going to say.

We're not indeed sure what he is going to say but i thought emmanuel mackron yesterday um was quite

interesting when he said uh that europe is going to step up he's actually taken the advice of j d vance

and he says that we know we need to do more well there's no doubt about that europe does need to do

more though what actually came out in terms of substance from Mr. Macron's

meeting with Mr. Trump is not clear.

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