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Buried Treasure: Democracy’s Forgotten Crisis (w/ Adam Hochschild)

Skullduggery

Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti

Politics, White House, News Commentary, Government, Senate, Podcasts, President, House Of Representatives, News, Victoria Bassetti, Supreme Court, Michael Isikoff, Foreign Policy, Scandels, Yahoo News, Voting, Elections, Skullduggery, Daniel Klaidman

42K Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2022

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

“I have been accused of having obstructed the war. I admit it. I abhor war. I would oppose the war if I stood alone. I believe in free speech, in war as well as in peace.” So said Eugene Debs on September 12th, 1918 to members of a jury tasked with deciding whether he had, as prosecutors argued, during a speech given a few weeks earlier to a crowd of socialists attempted “to promote insubordination [in the military]” and “propagate obstruction to the [military] draft.” 


Debs - a socialist, political activist, trade unionist, one of the founding members of, among many leftist groups, the Socialist Party of America - would be convicted of and handed a lengthy prison sentence for violating the Espionage Act, pushed through Congress the year prior by former President Woodrow Wilson - just after the United States entered into the war in Europe.


Upon signing the Act - which made criminal dissent against the war - into law, Wilson, at once, began to use it to go after opposition to the establishment - communists, socialists, trade unionists - and continued to do so even after the war had ended.


This is just one of the many subjects of American Midnight, journalist and historian Adam Hochschild's recent book, in which he examines a period during which the United States saw a swell of patriotic frenzy and political repression that makes McCarthyism look almost subtle by comparison - 1917-21.


On this episode of “Buried Treasure,” we sit down with Hochschild to look back on this all too often unremembered period that gave birth to the Espionage Act - some of the “darkest years of the republic” in which the government and political establishment weren’t at all opposed to blatantly illiberal approaches to achieving their desired outcomes.



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0:00.0

The

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Socialist movement is as wide as the world, and it mission is to win the world, the whole

0:14.0

world from animalism and come to be created to humanity.

0:21.2

That was the voice of Eugene Depts, a railway union organizer from Terrat Hot, Indiana,

0:26.8

who in the first two decades of the 20th century was the Socialist Party candidate in five

0:32.6

presidential elections.

0:34.4

Chris Crosting the country in a campaign train, he called the Red Special.

0:38.7

Depts denounced capitalism for exploiting American workers, dispoiling the environment,

0:44.0

and creating massive inequality.

0:46.4

And after America's entry into World War I, Depts forcefully criticized the administration

0:51.4

of Woodrow Wilson, and indeed the entire war effort, making him a target during

0:56.7

one of the most ferocious periods of repression in American history.

1:01.2

Trade unionists, African Americans, and radicals of all stripes were harassed, spied on,

1:06.7

and prosecuted.

1:08.0

While Depts himself was indicted and convicted under a new law called the Espionage Act,

1:13.8

making him, as of now, the last presidential candidate to be criminally prosecuted by

1:18.8

the Justice Department.

1:20.5

The Depts case, along with the persecution of radicals and dissenters, is the subject

1:24.5

of journalist Adam Hochschild's new book, American Midnight, The Great War, A Violent

1:29.7

Peace, and Democracies Forgotten Crisis.

1:32.2

We'll talk to Hochschild about the lessons that Error has for today on this episode of

1:37.6

Skull Duggery's Barried Treasure.

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