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The Rich Roll Podcast

Cal Newport on Digital Minimalism: Why Focus Is the New Superpower

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2019

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Summary

It's become increasingly harder to just put the phone down. Because the latest apps and digital platforms are specifically designed to addict, we have become slaves to their irresistible allure. Our precious attention is being hijacked. The ability to focus — to concentrate on that which is most meaningful — simply cannot compete with the magnetic pull of our Instagram feed. No longer need anyone ever be bored. Alone with one’s thoughts. Or simply present with one’s self. The result is a global epidemic of distraction. A fomenting of loneliness and isolation. And a degradation of our humanity. The solution isn't Ludditism. Instead it's agency. We need not be victims of technology. We have the power to liberate ourselves from the tether of digital dependency. And the freedom it creates isn't just the salve to what ails us, it's the gateway to that which we seek most. Meaning. True human connection. And a reconnection with our innate humanity. Indeed, there is no substitute for real relationships. Boredom is useful. And focus is the new superpower. Cal Newport is someone who has spent a lot of time thinking deeply about these issues. An associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University, Cal is the author of six books, many of which focus on the impact of technology on society. The primary focus of today's conversation is rooted in his latest New York Times bestseller, Digital Minimalism: Choosing a Focused Life in a Noisy World*. Cal’s work has been published in over 20 languages. He is a frequent guest on NPR and has been featured in many major publications, including the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New Yorker, Washington Post, and Economist. Regular listeners know I have a penchant for dropping Cal's name with regularity. I became acquainted with his work in early 2016 by way of his seminal book, Deep Work: Rules for Focused Success in A Distracted World* — pages that profoundly impacted how I think about and apply my attention. We struck up an e-mail friendship. And I’ve been trying to track him down for the podcast ever since. People often ask me which books have influenced me the most. The aforementioned two rank close to the top — manifestos of great practical import for our modern age. Similarly, I estimate that this episode rates among the most consequential conversations I've had in the 6+ year history of this podcast. Packed with practical, actionable steps, Cal's message will empower you to free up precious time. Declutter your mind. Connect you more deeply to the work and relationships you care most about. And profoundly improve the quality of your professional and personal lives. It was an absolute pleasure to spend time with Cal. I sincerely hope you not only enjoy the listen, but heed his message, and put his advice into action. The visually inclined can watch our entire conversation on YouTube here: bit.ly/calnewport447 (please subscribe!) Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

I was trying to understand why people were feeling this creepy and unease and why that had changed.

0:05.8

What was in the last few years that it made people increasingly uneasy about their technological lives.

0:11.1

And you talk to people, it's really not usefulness.

0:14.2

It's not, oh, this tech is useless and I hate spending time on it.

0:17.5

In fact, if you're using one of these apps or some reason why you're doing it, there's some reason why you download it, there's some value you get.

0:22.9

So people's complaint was not, this is useless. It was more about autonomy.

0:27.7

So people worry that they're using the tech too much. That's what I was picking up.

0:30.9

That they're looking at the screen, instead of doing things they know are more important.

0:34.7

They're looking at the screen sort of way too much more than they know is healthy.

0:38.3

And so it's the sense that they're losing control over how am I spending my time, when am I trying to get out of it.

0:42.9

And so that's what's so unique about this current circumstance is now that we can pull out this wirelessly connected device everywhere.

0:50.1

We can banish all those moments of solitude.

0:51.9

So what's weird is not the call for solitude.

0:54.1

The thing that's very, very unusual is the fact that we have banished solitude.

0:57.8

That's what's incredibly rare in the entire history of human civilization.

1:02.9

It is only like seven or eight years old.

1:05.0

This idea that it's now possible to get rid of all solitude.

1:07.5

So to get solitude in your life is as easy as just some of the places where you used to have it, even when you're really busy,

1:12.3

you get it back by just not using your phone.

1:15.0

That's Cal Newport this week on the Retro Podcast.

1:21.9

The Retro Podcast.

1:32.0

Okay, so if you're like me, you're probably finding it increasingly harder and harder to just put the phone down.

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