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Always fortunate enough to be joined by our Bears insider, Josh Schrock.

Follow him at Shrock underscore and underscore all, of course, our Bears beat reporter

Alex Shapiro. Follow him at Alex Shapiro NBCS. Claire and Tony are running the pot. And on today's show,

we're going out to the East Coast of the Bears are going to do that this weekend to talk to Pat

Leonard, apologies, NFL columnist, of course, also beat writer for the Giants for the New York

Daily News. Follow him at P. Leonard, NYPD, and beat writer for the Giants for the New York Daily News.

Follow him at P. Leonard, NYPD, and also check out the talking ball with Pat Leonard podcast. Pat, how are you doing today?

Doing great, doing great. I mean, it's no longer the undefeated giants. You know, there's a lot

of excitement there. They were 2 and 0, and they were for a brief moment, one of only three undefeated teams

with the Eagles and the Dolphins, but obviously short-lived after that Monday night game

against the Cowboys. So kind of come back down to Earth here in New Jersey.

Pat, listen, it's kind of weird that the Giants and the Bears were both on the market for

general managers and head coaches.

And we already kind of know it was rumored that there was a connection with Joe Shane, of course,

coming from Buffalo and that Brian Daibble was probably going to follow.

But you still had to have discussions in NY with the Giants community and even the rumors

you heard about potential candidates.

And I wanted to know what were the thoughts or

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