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One thing I do in interviews is I try not to study a person too much because then it gets me all kind of lost in other things you've been asked.

So I'm just going to ask you some things I'm interested in about you.

How does a woman, like it's predominantly a male space, is that right?

So what percentage of the finance community is women?

Gosh, I don't know the answer to that. When I started, which was a very long time ago, there were very few women.

Then we went through the 80s and 90s and the big bull market then, and we saw a lot of women entering the business, which was fantastic.

And then we had the tech and telecom bust and last in first out, a lot of women left.

And then we start again and we get to 0809. Same thing, last in first out.

So very often, I will be one of the few women still in meetings. It is quite surprising.

Yeah, and so how do you, like, because men don't understand this, right, phenomenon.

Like what's like to be in a room where you're the minority in the room.

How do you move in? How does a woman operate in that space?

I mean, do you have any advice for the women here? Because you're in a very alpha space in finance.

Well, a couple of things. In the space, I've had incredible mentors.

Many of them men, some women.

And so definitely go look for that mentor. Make sure that you're partnered, in essence, with someone whom you believe will allow you to grow.

And it's a little bit of a quid pro quo.

When I was starting in business, it was, what was my objective? My objective. When you're very young, you think you know how the world works.

And art laffer for those of you who know Laffer curve supply side economics.

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